INLS 180 Day 16 Notes

10/16/02

 

  1. one-min papers
    1. Point

 

    1. Questions

 

  1. Midterm Projects

Midterm project discussion

 

On grading:  3 points per section, 1 point for overall presentation.  Questions I put on your papers are often rhetorical—to cause you to think further.  I asked some of you to raise questions/issues in class discussion (if we don’t get to them first)

 

 Some general observations

a)      The bottom up approach to learning (reverse engineering).

b)      Distinguish classification (creating bins)and cataloging (using bins)

c)      Semantic versus syntactic markup (most did syntactic for books, semantic for TV)

d)      The role of hierarchy in structure

e)      The role of expectations in how we do these tasks (perhaps indicated by the variance in approaches for the different assignments)

 

Some notes on markup.  Three levels:

                Metalanguage:  SGML presents a grammar for markup schemes

                DTD (and schemes):  a language for a type of object (e.g., TEI, DDI)

                Instance:  the markup for a specific object (e.g., a book)

 

                Stylesheets: separate treatments of display options

 

1.             Books

 Consider generic tags that work for many books in a genre versus tags specific to a particular book.

If you were given the tagged structure of a book without any content, could you guess its genre?

What if we showed the size (e.g., number of words) of every tagged chunk, would this help in guessing genre?  Would it help in other ways?

What if you were given the ‘shape’ of the text?  Could we index/retrieve by structure/shape?

Could you imagine a set of structure indexes? (e.g., an index for typographic forms, others for space, time, people, events, themes, etc.)

How might these help in understanding (beyond search)

  

2.             Video

 Most people used semantic structuring rather than syntactic

Few people considered audio.  How might you tag the synchronous channels?  Of those who did, most created special hybrid tags (e.g., visual shot with talk, visual shot with music, etc.)

What does the length of a shot mean? Is it a surrogate for relevance?

Consider not only the length of a shot, but how these lengths vary across the entire segment (e.g., patterns in the shot lengths to affect gist,response).  Are there staccato and euphonious ‘phases’?

Also, what goes on in a shot adds to the frenetic or calming effects.

How to handle forward references (e.g., news to come when we return, previews for next week's sitcom or drama, etc.).  How might these be tagged? How do hyperlinks work in video?

 

3.             Websites

 My estimation is that some of you are visual dominants and some text dominants and this influenced your assessments.  What draws your eye? (motion, size, color, shape)

The ‘sectors’ could be ‘wireframes’ for the underlying information architecture on a page

  

Should visual links (either text or icon) be repeated on page?

If there are lots of links, how are they ordered or clustered?

               

Are genre-specific styles emerging (e.g., university sites all give audience

options)?

 

Search sites

Depth of indexing in Yahoo (e.g., art)

Default search terms controversial

Portal versus search, directory versus analytical search, ads, special services/personalizations. Advertising and business model

 

Interaction(s): forms (fill in), menus, mouseovers, animations

 

Several of you tried reloads, different browsers, did controlled queries, greped for HTTP to count links, etc. to get more in-depth views of the pages.

 

What is the purpose of a website? Generate interest?  Provide information?  Sell products? Entertain?

Do you want to be entertained by your bank?

 

What is good design?

What is good architecture?

 

4. Comparisons across media

 

What does structure tell us about meaning?  Does this vary by medium?

Where are the opportunities?

 

 

3.Reading discussion:  Reeves & Nass [Jenks-Brown]

 

4. One-minute paper concept

What was the big point you learned in class today?

What is the main, unanswered question you leave class with today?